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In Rumi's poetry, I try to get out of the way and become transparent, to disappear.

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And in my own poetry, I try to get in the way.

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As I'm trying to talk from a voice that is Coleman Barks, born in 1937, you know, in Chattanooga, Tennessee,

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and that will die at some point.

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And so I'm speaking with that voice, and Rumi speaks with something else.